5e Continual Flame as Light Source
Thread: The best thing to put Continual Flame on?
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2020-08-24,02:38 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #1
Ettin in the Playground
The best thing to put Continual Flame on? I've got a not all all stealthy V-Human Sword and Board Paladin going into the Dungeon of the Mad Mage. Since he won't have goggle of the night, I am going to have someone cast continual flame on it. What should I have it cast on? My Magical Warhammer, so it can be sheathed? Something else?
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2020-08-24,02:41 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #2
Dwarf in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? Bullseye Lantern? It should never run out of fuel and you can close it and focus the light if you need to illuminate a specific spot/location.
Last edited by king_steve; 2020-08-24 at 02:41 PM.
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2020-08-24,02:47 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #3
Ettin in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? That works really well when I have a free hand. The issue comes up when I am in combat and have a shield in one hand and my magical warhammer in the other.
Originally Posted by king_steve 
Bullseye Lantern? It should never run out of fuel and you can close it and focus the light if you need to illuminate a specific spot/location.
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2020-08-24,02:48 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #4
Bugbear in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? Weapons that can be sheathed are a good option. A medallion on a necklace works well too. You can have it either out giving light or instead put it under your tunic.
Edit: There is no reason you can't hang the lantern from your belt or pack, especially as it can't leak or burn you.
Last edited by Mellack; 2020-08-24 at 02:49 PM.
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2020-08-24,02:51 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #5
Dwarf in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? Skull mask, so you can cosplay as Ghost Rider.
Seriously, though, the best thing to use is something that leaves your hands free, or that you would be holding anyway. A weapon you're holding at the ready is a good candidate, but you will want the ability to easily douse it. Does a warhammer have a sheathe, as a sword would? If so, that's good, but I've never pictured a sheathe for a warhammer. The shield is great too, but harder to douse the flame, unless you have a cloth or drape of some kind you can throw over it when you don't want a flaming shield.
If you go with the bullseye lantern (which is another great choice), consider casting it on something small which can be set inside the lantern, rather than the lantern itself. I've gotten into...discussions...where it's argued that the lantern itself is glowing/flaming, so closing the shutter has no impact. If you've cast it on a pebble, which you mount inside the lantern as "fuel" there's no ambiguity.
*edit* Oh, I almost forgot my favorite example! The guy who had it cast on his glass eye. flaming eyeball to impress the rubes when necessary, an eyepatch (or just squint) when darkness was required.
Last edited by Monster Manuel; 2020-08-24 at 02:54 PM.
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2020-08-24,02:53 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #6
Bugbear in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? That is a good point. Our group has always figured we were casting it on the wick, so it works like a regular lamp. Originally Posted by Monster Manuel If you go with the bullseye lantern (which is another great choice), consider casting it on something small which can be set inside the lantern, rather than the lantern itself. I've gotten into...discussions...where it's argued that the lantern itself is glowing/flaming, so closing the shutter has no impact. If you've cast it on a pebble, which you mount inside the lantern as "fuel" there's no ambiguity.
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2020-08-24,02:59 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #7
Dwarf in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? Yeah, the point of contention comes from the wording of the spell, which affects "an object". It doesn't specifically say you can target part of an object, just the object. I personally rule it that it's lame to have to come up with work-arounds like the pebble-in-the-lantern and it's cooler if you can cast it on the blade of a sword, or the wick of a lantern, or the interior of a cape, but there's some merit to the argument. Originally Posted by Mellack That is a good point. Our group has always figured we were casting it on the wick, so it works like a regular lamp.
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2020-08-24,03:01 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #8
Ettin in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? The Paladin has an amulet to Helm that he wear on his chest all the time (plus a holy symbol emblazoned on his shield). A flaming Holy Symbol to Helm is a pretty sweet plan.
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2020-08-24,03:03 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #9
Bugbear in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? Well at least the sword and lamp are fairly easy: disassemble them for the spell. I can see more of an issue for just one side of an object. In your cloak example, I would suggest having a lining made that you cast on then sew in. Originally Posted by Monster Manuel Yeah, the point of contention comes from the wording of the spell, which affects "an object". It doesn't specifically say you can target part of an object, just the object. I personally rule it that it's lame to have to come up with work-arounds like the pebble-in-the-lantern and it's cooler if you can cast it on the blade of a sword, or the wick of a lantern, or the interior of a cape, but there's some merit to the argument.
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2020-08-24,03:10 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #10
Firbolg in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? The paladin. You'll have to kill him first, then cast Continual Flame while he's dead and counts as object before Revivify-ing him. That will leave an impression.
It's Eberron, not ebberon.
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2020-08-24,03:14 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #11
Titan in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? I have cast it upon: Originally Posted by Monster Manuel Skull mask, so you can cosplay as Ghost Rider.
1. A Helm or a bandana. (for our human barbarian)2. A staff. As part of a memorial for a dead NPC whose family we were helping out
3. On a club. I also cast Shillelagh on it with some frequency. vHuman Cleric, with Magic Initiate, Druid. Getting to 3rd level allowed me to get that spell one day while we were in town between adventures. Best 50 GP ruby I'd spent to date. I liked having a "magic club" in my possession, and with my chain mail, I wasn't gonna be stealty any time soon, so why not bring the glowing wrath of my deity down upon evil doers, eh?
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2020-08-24,03:56 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #12
Ogre in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? Paladin of the Ancients is supposed to be a light unto the world, so I cast it on my shield.
Originally Posted by MaxWilson Just, please don't. Insisting on that technicality improves nothing.
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2020-08-24,04:19 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #13
Bugbear in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? Careful with the wording there. DMs will think you're holding a bright lantern in front of your face when you go to block. Make sure it's the front of the shield only that glows. Originally Posted by NaughtyTiger Paladin of the Ancients is supposed to be a light unto the world, so I cast it on my shield.
Trolls will be blocked. Petrification works far better than fire and acid.
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2020-08-24,04:46 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #14
Ogre in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? I suppose, no DM has given me trouble... the rogue hates Quix, but Quix despises the rogue already. Originally Posted by Kyutaru Careful with the wording there. DMs will think you're holding a bright lantern in front of your face when you go to block. Make sure it's the front of the shield only that glows.
Originally Posted by MaxWilson Just, please don't. Insisting on that technicality improves nothing.
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2020-08-24,04:59 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #15
Titan in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? My bard has it on a set of brass knuckles. Because seriously, flaming fist? Badass.
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2020-08-24,05:30 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #16
Ettin in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? Something you can cover/uncover as an object interaction (or even less) and doesn't require your hand. For example, wearing an eyepatch over your fake eye, which you can then uncover and it sheds light. Originally Posted by nickl_2000 I've got a not all all stealthy V-Human Sword and Board Paladin going into the Dungeon of the Mad Mage. Since he won't have goggle of the night, I am going to have someone cast continual flame on it. What should I have it cast on? My Magical Warhammer, so it can be sheathed? Something else?
Make sure to upcast the Continual Flame to level 3+ when you make it, so that it illuminates Magical Darkness.
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2020-08-24,05:31 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #17
Titan in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? A spent Ioun Stone is a classic from 3.5, you could get a bunch to make a kind of halo effect.
Something held by your familiar if your familiar flies, like the Parrot from donkey kong.
Your teeth so you have a shining smile that light's up the dungeon.
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2020-08-24,07:50 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #18
Dwarf in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? My wizard has a familiar with a pair of fake eyeglass frames fused to his head to take the light cantrip.
For your paladin I would go with the Harry Dresden route of a necklace you can put beneath you breastplate if you need to not attract every moth in the dungeon.
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2020-08-24,07:57 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #19
Ettin in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? Bah, breastplate? You think he has the dex to be effective with a breastplate ;) but your point is absolutely still valid. Originally Posted by Falconcry My wizard has a familiar with a pair of fake eyeglass frames fused to his head to take the light cantrip.
For your paladin I would go with the Harry Dresden route of a necklace you can put beneath you breastplate if you need to not attract every moth in the dungeon.
Last edited by nickl_2000; 2020-08-24 at 07:58 PM.
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● XXI-Artificer, Battling Bowman
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2020-08-24,10:05 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #20
Barbarian in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? The codpiece on your plate armor.
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2020-08-24,10:18 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #21
Ettin in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? Rope or string is a strange but very utilitarian option.
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2020-08-24,10:23 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #22
Firbolg in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on?
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2020-08-24,10:34 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #23
Barbarian in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? That is certainly worthy of being a favorite example Originally Posted by Monster Manuel Skull mask, so you can cosplay as Ghost Rider.
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*edit* Oh, I almost forgot my favorite example! The guy who had it cast on his glass eye. flaming eyeball to impress the rubes when necessary, an eyepatch (or just squint) when darkness was required.
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2020-08-24,10:35 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #24
Titan in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? a medallion or pendant, can be turned off by simply tucking it under your shirt.
either that, or a ring. small, easily carried, leaves both hands free and turning it off is simple as putting in your pocket, or putting on a glove. bracelet could also work, if you have long sleeves.
a headband or bandana could work, extra points for being a head light.
generally anything that can be easily taken on and off, small and doesn't take up a hand slot is ideal.
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2020-08-24,10:56 PM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #25
Ogre in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? Get yourself a custom made helmet in order to have Continual Flame cast on it. Not only will you have a permanent headlamp, but just picture yourself. You get to wear this awesome pronged helmet, and the prongs are ON FIRE as you charge into the enemy. Practical, intimidating, awesome.
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2020-08-25,12:44 AM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #26
Barbarian in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? A golden tooth. Grin wide for light, helps your dentist see.
Or just cast it on something like a mouth guard for the same mechanical effect. Like the kind you see in football (USA)/soccer (else).
Last edited by CheddarChampion; 2020-08-25 at 12:47 AM.
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2020-08-25,06:37 AM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #27
Ogre in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? This - my usual suggestion would probably be a bead on a necklace or braclet which you can tuck in and out of your armour. Originally Posted by Lord Raziere a medallion or pendant, can be turned off by simply tucking it under your shirt.
either that, or a ring. small, easily carried, leaves both hands free and turning it off is simple as putting in your pocket, or putting on a glove. bracelet could also work, if you have long sleeves.
a headband or bandana could work, extra points for being a head light.
generally anything that can be easily taken on and off, small and doesn't take up a hand slot is ideal.
Someone in my party had it cast on their weapon because it looked badass but on more than one occasion that has caused problems where they didn't want to be illuminated but wanted to use the weapon.
Another point - make sure someone else in the party is also carrying a light source around. You have both hands full, casters often do not and can afford to carry around a torch without worry even if they're not the one lacking darkvision.
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2020-08-25,06:41 AM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #28
Ettin in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? The party consists of an Elf Monk (darkvision), Deep Gnome Cleric/Wizard (Superior Darkvision and the light spell), Human Mastermind Rogue, and Human Oath of Glory Paladin. The Cleric/Wizard has the light spell already and the Rogue picked up a lantern of revealing. So, this wouldn't be the only light source available. I just don't want to depend on others for light when my PC can provide it for himself. Originally Posted by Contrast This - my usual suggestion would probably be a bead on a necklace or braclet which you can tuck in and out of your armour.
Someone in my party had it cast on their weapon because it looked badass but on more than one occasion that has caused problems where they didn't want to be illuminated but wanted to use the weapon.
Another point - make sure someone else in the party is also carrying a light source around. You have both hands full, casters often do not and can afford to carry around a torch without worry even if they're not the one lacking darkvision.
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2020-08-25,09:36 AM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #29
Titan in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? *cackle* Originally Posted by AttilatheYeon The codpiece on your plate armor.
Nice choice. Originally Posted by Naanomi A dull grey Ioun Stone
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a. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.Gosh, 2D8HP, you are so very correct!
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2020-08-25,09:42 AM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #30
Firbolg in the Playground
Re: The best thing to put Continual Flame on? Your boot. It'll shed light in the radius without putting the light source right in your face.
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